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The Vaccine Debate is about Authority Worship

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Published on: March 9, 2019

The notorious atheist and secular humanist community over at purportedly spurred an 18-year-old to “rebel” against his mother, and “vaxx” himself against her wishes.

Ethan Lindenberger, wrote his initial post on the Reddit board r/NoStupidQuestions. A Guardian headline taking a quote from Ethan’s original Reddit post is hysterically entitled ‘God knows how I’m alive’: how a teen defied his parents to get vaccinated, in the post he states,

“As the title explains, my parents think vaccines are some kind of government scheme. It’s stupid and I’ve had countless arguments over the topic. But, because of their beliefs I’ve never been vaccinated for anything, god knows how I’m still alive. But, i’m a senior in high school now with a car, a license, and money of my own I’d assume that I can get them on my own but I’ve just never had a conversation with anyone about the subject.

“That’s when it clicked for me – this opinion that I’d disagreed with her on for at least a year or two now can become action,” said Lindenberger. “I can actually do something about this.”

Lindenberger has since gotten vaccines for HPV, flu, hepatitis A and tetanus, and he and his medical team have come up with a schedule for the rest of them.” (Guardian)

First off, God knows how you are “still alive” Ethan, because God, by definition is the sustainer of all things through the very will and power of His being. He most assuredly knows “how” you are still alive. It isn’t a syringe full of pharma prepped, magic serum that keeps you and everyone else alive, it is because He alone wills your next breath and your next heartbeat. The infinitely complex biology and defense mechanism of the human body made by a creator God has more to do with your health than a thousand vaccine jabs ever will.

Secondly, just so you know, all of those in the Lindenberger’s lineage that came before young Ethan prior to the 1900s didn’t hyperventilate in fear over not having a vaccine either. “…god knows how I’m still alive,” really? It seems Ethan is the one who gave into a spirit of fear and pressure among the pro-vaxxers on Reddit saying such things. Or maybe he just knew how to play the Reddit communities proclivities toward authority worship perfectly to get his chance at internet celebrity?

Reddit has become nothing more than an echo chamber of state worshipers. Reddit was shadow banning users before twitter, youtube, google and facebook even gave thought to censorship policies. Hence the thoroughly biased, liberal slanted, state-worshiping perspective and information you get from that community. Free thought on Reddit was squashed years ago.

If you read that original Reddit post, the title he created calls his parents “stupid.” In God’s economy, rebelling against one’s parents is far more damnable than skipping a vaccine, considering how ‘Honor thy Father and Mother’ is an actual Ten Commandment. He really should be ashamed of himself, publicly allowing his parents to be made a spectacle of for their heartfelt beliefs and desire to keep him safe from what they perceived as harm caused by the dangers of vaccines. Sadly, it didn’t end there, today in a congressional hearing he stooped to a new low, further throwing his parents under the bus.

Here is a snippet of his testimony in front of a Senate hearing on vaccines and preventable outbreaks, where he said,

“For certain individuals and organizations that spread this misinformation, they instill fear into the public for their own gain selfishly, and do so knowing that their information is incorrect,” Lindenberger said. “For my mother, her love, affection and care as a parent was used to push an agenda to create a false distress, and these sources which spread misinformation should be the primary concern of the American people.” (Time)

Just about every media outfit in America has pounced on this story, but there is something much more sinister behind the vaxx debate in America. It is one of total trust and even belligerent allegiance to government and authority structures, a behavior typified by liberals like the ones you find on Reddit.

It isn’t so much that pro-vaxxers want everybody to be healthy and vaccinated, no they are appalled that there are those in society that have mistrust for Big Pharma and the gods of the scientific establishment.

Authority Worship is the Central Theme of the Vaccine Debate in America

In this same Congressional hearing Rand Paul, brings up the giant elephant in the room in terms of the vaccine debate, which is the desire of people on the pro-vaxxer side of the debate to mandate forced vaccines on families and children.

“Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said Tuesday the government should not force parents to vaccinate their children.

“I believe that the benefits of vaccines greatly outweigh the risks, but I still do not favor giving up on liberty for a false sense of security,” Paul said during a Senate hearing focused on the rise in preventable disease outbreaks. 

Paul, a medical doctor, said while he and his kids have been vaccinated, the government should rely on “persuasion” rather than force to increase vaccine rates.

“I think it’s important to remember that force is not consistent with the American story,” the senator said. 

Every state requires children to have certain vaccines, like the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine, before entering public school. 

Paul appeared to disagree with these requirements, saying he’s not a “fan of government coercion.”

In turn, Sen. Bill Cassidy(R-LA) who like Sen. Rand Paul, is also a physician said this in response to the liberty issue at stake in the vaccine debate,

“His remarks drew a rebuke from Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.), who is also a physician. 

“Let me give some color to what Sen. Paul said,” Cassidy said during the hearing, noting that he has met people who ended up with “terrible diseases” because they weren’t vaccinated. 

“The requirement is just that you cannot enter school unless you’re vaccinated. Now, if you’re such a believer in liberty that you do not wish to be vaccinated, then there should be a consequence, and that is that you cannot infect other people,” he said.” (The Hill)

If there is any fear, any resentment, any animosity on the side of people who are anti-vaxx it is a result of a violent, tyrannical and outright un-American growing sentiment that would have one group of people forcing another group of people to be vaccinated under penalty of law. Rand Paul is absolutely correct, this issue is not about the health of the children as Sen. Cassidy stated, this issue is about liberty.

Follow the Money

I for one believe that this hearing and story is completely contrived. The vaccine debate isn’t driven by information and truth, it is about money. Big Pharma learned a century ago to co-op government as a means to mandate its product.

Take a look at the Ranking Committee members on this Vaccines Save Lives: What Is Driving Preventable Disease Outbreaks committee, everyone on this committee has received more money than anyone in Congress, including Cassidy who according to Open Secrets has been given over $156k to side with Big Pharma as a champion of their lobby. Sen. Rand Paul, in contrast, has received a measly $20k.

Here is a list of Big Pharma contributions to The Vaccine Save Lives, HELP Committee members (Source Open Secrets)

Portman, Rob (R-OH) = $371,856
Burr, Richard (R-NC) = $447,881
Murray, Patty (D-WA) = $350,767
Cassidy, Bill (R-LA) = $156,600
Isakson, Johnny (R-GA) = $68,000
Alexander, Lamar (R-TN) = $62,700
Scott, Tim (R-SC) = $57,700

In fact, just a week ago Forbes reported that many of these same Senators headed an investigative committee looking into drug prices.

“Executives from seven of the country’s biggest pharmaceutical companies are expected to face tough questions from members of the Senate Finance Committee Tuesday about drug prices, which have raised the ire of President Trump and the specter of Congressional restrictions. The pharma chiefs will also be facing a familiar crowd: Members of the Senate Finance Committee have received hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations from the same firms’ political action committees, and in some cases, the executives personally.This committee hearing was completely bought and paid for by Big Pharma.

A large chunk of that $1.6 million has gone toward the campaign committees of six senators, who have received $100,000 or more from those seven companies’ PACs in the last decade. The campaign committee for Senator Bob Casey, Democrat of Pennsylvania who ran for reelection in 2018, received the most in that time span: $121,500. (Merck and Sanofi both have corporate campuses in Pennsylvania.)

Others senators who received at least $100,000 from the pharma PACs include:

Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) – $119,000

Rob Portman (R-Ohio) – $113,000

Johnny Isakson (R-Georgia) – $107,000

Tim Scott (R-South Carolina) – $101,000

Tom Carper (D-Delaware) – $100,000

Spokeswomen for Senator Portman and Senator Carper, when asked for comment on the contributions, both wrote via email that Portman and Carper have helped lead efforts to reduce the cost of drugs. Last year the pair worked together to lower the price of a naloxone spray made by drug firm Kaléo, which can be used to treat opioid overdoses, from $4,100 per unit to $178. The other four senators did not respond to requests for comment in time for publication.” (Forbes)

Same bought and paid for Senators on the drug price committee are the ones that headed this committee on Vaccines, coincidence? I think not.

It is laughable that the title of this recent committee hearing was, Vaccines Save Lives: What Is Driving Preventable Disease OutbreaksDid a Big Pharma Lobbyist write this title or what?

This committee is without question formed by Big Pharma lobbyist groups with a vested interest in forcing their products on everyone through legislative action.

The bought and paid for media spawned fear revolving around a few Measles cases in Washington, then this “rebel” kid is paraded around on all the mainstream T.V. shows, then a “investigative committee” spontaneously is scheduled by senators who take the most money from Big Pharma, and on top of this Amazon, pinterest, facebook, youtube, etsy all remove anti-vaccine searches, documentaries and titles simultaneously. The organized assault is a dead give away to a massive social engineering campaign at works.

This is the problem with these statists and proponents of forced vaccinations, they can’t see the sophisticated way in which Big Pharma mobilizes propaganda campaigns to capture the news cycle and drive people into a frenzy of fear. They are oblivious to the how much money is being spent to create a situation where they can mandate on the federal level forced vaccinations. The FDA chair is actually threatening states saying,

“FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb told CNN on Tuesday that the federal government might intervene if “certain states continue down the path that they’re on.” (The Hill)

Rand Paul is spot-on calling this for what it is, an assualt against the liberties of individuals, and state rights. Give me one good reason why I shouldn’t be skeptical of vaccines and Big Pharma after all of these tactics have been revealed?


If you have to use government to mandate your product, buy off politicians, and push media outlets into a frenzy of fear mongering then your product sucks. The reason they are doing this is because their profits are plummeting as more and more people are realizing that vaccines are the cause of illness not health.

I don’t even want to discuss the efficacy of injecting attenuated viruses into the blood stream, I say bring me a clean vaccine. People are rejecting vaccines because of the disgusting and damaging ingredients they are filled with. Mercury, formaldehyde, aborted fetal tissue, monkey cells, etc. Absolutely nightmarish and anyone with a conscience would refuse to be injected with this filth.

Bring me a clean vaccine, show me a vaccine that doesn’t contain these ingredients. The CDC admits this trash is in them, and if someone doesn’t want strains of aborted fetal tissue injected in them, then that is their God-given right to choose to keep that freakshow as far away from them as possible. It is the definiation cannabilism the way these companies inject fetal tissue into humans. Yeah, news flash, I don’t want to be apart of that abomination on any level!

They label organic food, where is the organic vaccines? They don’t exist, if we can get an apple certified as being free of harmful pesticides and ingredients why can’t we get a vaccine that is clean? The reason being is vaccines start people on the cycle of ill-health and disease as a means to make Big Pharma obscene amounts of profit on the illness cycle of those that get them.

Their product is being rejected on ethical grounds because of the crap ingredients so what do they do? Instead of improving their product as a free market would dictate they do, they create mass fear campaigns as a means to get their crap products mandated. It is insanity, and will create a Constitutional crisis like nothing else in this country. This is the thing shooting wars get started over.

What exactly are these proponents of these filthy injectables requesting? What are they advocating when they say government should force vaccinations, has anyone thought this out to its logical conclusion? Does that mean children are denied access to education? Does it mean police will escort nurses into homes to forcibly inject children and adults. Is the cause of forced vaccinations a greater good than access to education? Or a greater good than the security and liberty of people to make choices for themselves? Of course, it isn’t!

You will always hear how supposed anti-vaxxers are anti-science, this debate about vaccines is not about vaccines, but about the worship of a system. A scientific tyranny is forming up around us, that feels it can confiscate our blood and dna, force injections, dictate what kind of healthcare we receive, dictate what doctors we can have, etc. Those of us who reject the pro-vaccine movement do so because we see this for what it is, the total control over the most private aspects of our lives, by companies that have nothing more than forced profits behind their motives. Wise up America! Monied interests feign concern nothing more!

Article posted with permission from Jason Charles

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